Adopting a F*ck Around and Find Out Approach to Life with Mindset Coach Ally Rounsley

Swearing is caring, y’all! And in this extra sweary episode, mindset coach and recovering perfectionist Ally Rounsley takes us on a deep dive into how to build resilience by stepping into a f*ck around and find out (FAAFO) mentality. Though, not in the getting-into-fights sense that this phrasing sometimes implies. (And also not in a sexy-time connotation, but you do you!) We’re tackling this in the “stop taking everything so seriously and just TRY and see what happens” kind of way.

In addition to sharing how she’s applied this to her own life and coaching journey, Ally offers a structured FAAFO framework for each of us to follow that can help us break free of limiting patterns in our thinking and behavior.

Here are some of the other points we hit on this jaunty adventure into fields of rainbow sheep:

• Doing brave shit in service of our authenticity.
• How coaching will ruin your life (in a good way!)
• Trying new things in ways that feel fun and exciting instead of terrifying and exhausting.
• Redefining rest based on what we actually need at the time.
• Meditation! And how it’s totally normal to struggle with it.
• Distinguishing between judgment and discernment (and being nice to yourself!)
• Slowing down and digging a little deeper to uncover the why behind what we think we want.

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Resources, References, and Links:

Book on swearing! Nine Nasty Words – English in the Gutter: Then, Now, and Forever by John McWhorter. The audiobook is especially delightful.

Wanderlight – the name of my coaching business. Want support in cultivating more joy and fulfillment in your life? I got you.

Hero’s journey. Joseph Campbell came up with the basic narrative structure for, well, most stories across the span of history in his book The Hero with a Thousand Faces. For the quick and dirty overview, check out the Joseph Campbell Foundation’s website.

Atomic Habits by James Clear. Super-duper, excellent book. I cite it all the time. He’s also got a ton of great stuff on his website.

The Princess and the Frog. This Disney movie actually came out in 2009, so I was in grad school at the time! No wonder I never saw it.

“Recharging Your Batteries.” Listen to my solo episode specifically about rest and paying attention to which kinds we need (or read the transcript).

Transcript:

Cate Blouke: Y’all, I am here today with Ally Rounsley – mindset coach and delightful human.  Ally, welcome! How are you today?

Ally Rounsley: I am excellent.

Cate Blouke: If I were going to ask you to introduce yourself, what would you say?

Ally Rounsley: So, I am a recovering people pleasing project manager and behavior analyst turned mindset coach, and my mission is to help humans get their shit together. It’s why I created the GYST, my self improvement company, and I’ve got this fun newsletter that goes out with it.

Cate Blouke: It is a super fun newsletter. Enjoy and appreciate your newsletter. As someone who’s perpetually working on getting my shit together, like, I appreciate a punchy, like, here are the headlines. I’m not gonna send you 18 paragraphs to read, even if they’re good. 18 paragraphs? Who’s got time for that? I don’t. I want to, but I don’t.

Ally Rounsley: Absolutely. It’s super ADHD friendly because I know that if it’s more than three bullet points, you fucking lost me. And so, like, I’m gonna make something that I would want to read that would give me what I need to do something with. And so that’s what I sought out to create and then made it nice and sweary so at least you can have some fun.

Cate Blouke: Swearing is so much fun.

Ally Rounsley: Swearing is caring is what I’ve been saying. It’s an emphatic way to express yourself.

Cate Blouke: It is. It is. I read this book, I don’t know, a year or two ago that now, the title of which is escaping me, it’s by a linguist, and he’s like, talking about, like, the emphatic nature of curse words and how just like, helpful and satisfying that can be. 

And that’s actually like part of how you and I connected, right? Was that I’ve got settling is bullshit. You’ve got the GYST, which is get your shit together. Love an acronym. Always fun. And what was the inspiration for the GYST? How did the GYST start?

Ally Rounsley: So my first thing, and you may see, like, little references to it everywhere, was create your fullest. Cause, like, create, that’s just like a word that’s special to me. Like, creating, you know, a new business, creating arts, crafts. I’m a creative, artsy craftsy person, and. And so I wanted it to be inspirational, but it was kind of the soft, just the soft and, like, easy to swallow part of me, and I was kind of tired of holding it at that level. Like, it kept my vibe low. 

And I’m like, I don’t know if it’s something about this just isn’t sitting right. And I have conversations with fellow coaches and, like, other friends in the area. And the thing, whenever they speak with me is like, you’re just so scrappy and real when we talk. And scrappy was the word. Like, that was the word that they used for me. And I’m like, oh, I didn’t realize that that’s what I have. Like, it’s like this scrappiness. Like, let’s do this. Let’s get a little bit tacky and just be authentic, be ourselves.

Cate Blouke: I love that scrappy. Yeah. And for me, it’s quirky and high energy. Right? People are like, you have got a lot of energy.

Ally Rounsley: Yes, yes, exactly. And that’s what I was going through when I made the GYST. I was finally like, okay, I’m going to do this thing. I’m going to be exactly who I am, and I’m going to push past the fear of pissing people off that probably liked some of my softer stuff. But I’m like, if you can’t take me at my scrappy, like, you don’t deserve me at my soft. Oof. Oof.

Cate Blouke: Yes. If you can’t take me at my scrappy, you don’t deserve me at my soft.

Ally Rounsley: Mm hmm.

Cate Blouke: Right. If you can’t take me at my, like, quirky glitter pants, like, you don’t deserve me at. I don’t know what the contrast for me would be, but I love it. I’m gonna come up with my wanderlight. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Like, you don’t, you don’t deserve me at my, at my mellow.

Ally Rounsley: Yes, exactly. Because we are, like, kind of all this balance of the softness and this, this higher vibe something. And I wasn’t honoring that, like, weird, authentic part of myself. I’m like, yeah, I say shit all the time. I’m like, why am I trying to hide this? You know?

Cate Blouke: And so why were you trying to hide it, do you think?

Ally Rounsley: You know? And that’s, that’s the thing. Cause I see it a lot in my clients as well, too. And that’s why, like, in every initial session that we have, I start the design with, I need you to be real with me, but more importantly, be real with yourself. And then I say, you know, like, I cuss, I swear, a little bit. Is that cool with you? 

And you almost see this, like, it’s so nice that you’re just going to be who you are, and then they can be who they are, and they’re telling me things that maybe they wouldn’t tell anybody else because I share something vulnerable with them. So it almost creates this trust where they can actually bring their bullshit and work it out in our sessions. Right? And so that’s where, like, all this authenticity came from is. 

And it was terrifying at first. It was absolutely terrifying, because I’m like, this shit’s going to make me unhirable if I ever want to go back to anything stable.

Cate Blouke: Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: But at the same time, I’m like, I got into this because I wanted to make a difference in a way that felt good to me. And what feels good to me is being authentically the person that I am. And I am not buttoned up. I am not the person’s going to sit in a suit in a boardroom ever. Nor do I care to ever strive for that. Like, I’m the person that’s going to be in the trenches with you, helping you figure shit out. That’s what I, like, the messy part of life, and let’s find a way to make it make sense.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. And now we’ve talked about this a little bit before off recording, but you are coming from a project manager background. Right? So this was a journey for you. So how did you make that transition? How did you go from, like, okay, I’m moving up in the organization. I’m, you know, good at what I do. This doesn’t totally feel like a great fit, but, like, I’m good enough at it. It’s fine, whatever. How did you… How did you move from whatever that vibe was to being like, you know what? I’m gonna go be a fucking coach. I’m gonna do some shit. I’m gonna swear on LinkedIn. How’d you make that transition?

Ally Rounsley: Oh, my God. Well, I will tell you that it was not an overnight transition, but the catalyst for me, because I was like, I’m comfortable and I’m safe. I’ve got this great job. It’s got great flexibility. I work with good humans. Sometimes the strategy kind of sucks, but at the same time, like, I’ve got flexibility. I’ve got good money and all that, right?

Cate Blouke: Like, I’ve got the boxes ticked. Like, I’m doing okay. This is fine. It doesn’t light me up, but, like, it’s okay. I get my needs met. Why would I want to rock that boat, right?

Ally Rounsley: Exactly. Well, here’s what happened. My boss signed me up for a leadership development program, and he was like, hey, listen. Like, they’re just asking for us to sign up people we think would be good fits for the program. I was like, sure, I’ll do it. But the thing that changed my life was it also came with six months of coaching. And so when I first heard that. They’re like, okay, now go sign up and pick your coach. And I’m like, ugh, I don’t want to do that. Like, that sounds.

Cate Blouke: Why? Nothing. What was. Tell me that. Cause I’m the kind of person that I’m like, ooh, you’re gonna, like, help me look at myself. Sign me up. I just wanna do nothing but that.

Ally Rounsley: You know, I think it was a blissful ignorance that I was like, you know what? I’m good. I could probably learn to write better emails or communicate more succinctly, but otherwise, I feel pretty good. I don’t wanna dig into that shit. Like, I just didn’t.

Cate Blouke: What was the shit you didn’t wanna dig into?

Ally Rounsley: Oh, that’s where it gets good, right? And so when I signed up for this coaching, my coach was fantastic. And so I started out like, my goals are, like, you know, I could probably get better at time management, like, the basic stuff as a leader or project manager that you like. Oh, you know, time management or better communication skills. Those are the things you kind of go into coaching for. Let me improve my skill set so I can get a promotion or make more money or whatever. 

Well, old girl over here telling me, start asking those questions, like, what you just said. So what was that shit that you didn’t want to get into? Like, she started digging and poking the bear, and at first I was like, oh, I don’t need this. By session three or four, I’m like, my life is a lie! I’m so not doing what I’m put here to do.

Cate Blouke: So, yeah, just to jump in. Like, did you going into this? Was there a little part of you that knew what you were here to do or was part of just going up the corporate chain of being like, I don’t really know what I’m here to do, so I guess I’ll do this.

Ally Rounsley: I got to a point to where I was like, I’m comfortable, my boss is great. I don’t really want to keep moving up the chain anymore. Like, I’m good where I’m at, and I want to rock the boat right now. And then when I started rocking the boat, I recognized that there was a lot of things that came naturally to me as a teenager that I kind of shoved down that kind of came back up as I was going through coaching.

Cate Blouke: Ooh, like what?

Ally Rounsley: Oh, let me tell you, girl.

Cate Blouke: Please do. Please. Yes, girl. Yes, girl, yes.

Ally Rounsley: So when I was a teenager, it would piss my mom off to no end, but I was always friends with the bad kids, like, quote unquote bad kids, right? The ones that were always in trouble, that were, like, they were wearing, like, the pipes or the jinko jeans and, like, had all the crazy hair and everything. And, like, I was always pretty basic. I’m, like, jeans and a hoodie and a ponytail. I’m like, that’s it. I’m good. But those are the people that I gravitated to. Like, the ones that were, like, going through things that were really, really difficult. And so, like, I was this weird little art kid that hung out with all the little goth punk type of people, but I was. I was not the one that was ever getting in trouble. And, like, when you. They went to go do dumb stuff, I’m like, I gotta go home. And so these are the people that I always gravitated to. But then I found maybe I’m giving too much of myself to this because I didn’t know how to balance it. 

But it was always something like, that’s where I wanted to be. I want to be with the people that they’re messy. I enjoy being with this kind of messiness, and now that I got into coaching, I have the skills to help solve those problems for people. Like, let’s take your bullshit and your mess and turn it into something that works for you authentically, because we’re all a little bit crazy, and that’s totally fine. Like, I vibe with that, so.

Cate Blouke: Okay. Did that feel like an uncovering or a discovery?

Ally Rounsley: Wow, that’s. That’s a good question. I think it was really more of an uncovering. Like, it was something that was there and something that kind of followed me. Like, I was always, like, a problem solver. Like, I wanted to be a fixer. I wanted to fix all these things. Right. And your initial inclination with fixing. Right. Is, well, why don’t you try this? Or, you know what I would do is I would do this. But sometimes fixing isn’t just actually fixing. Sometimes fixing is listening so they can figure their shit out on their own. And so when I learned some of these other tools, you can be, like, this fixer person that helps support people through hard shit without solving their problems for them.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. I just want to interject and underline that. Right. That sometimes fixing is listening so that people can solve their problems on their own. My body was just like, oh, God, yes. Everyone who’s listening, please. If we could all just do that. If we could all just hear people and let them hear themselves.

Ally Rounsley: Mm hmm.

Cate Blouke: Instead of jumping in and being like, oh, let me. Let me tell you what to do. And I’m speaking from, like, personal. Let me tell you what to do later. You’ve all done it, right? Like, trying to, like, let that go. Yeah. So you started to uncover this, like.

Ally Rounsley: Oh, I would say by, like, month four of coaching is when I kind of figured out who I was and what I wanted to do. And so as I was talking with my coach, I got all my shit together, and I pitched a leadership coaching program internally for my boss and was like, I want to do this, and I need to start coach training. Is this something that I can do? And so, you know, he had a couple of questions and everything, but ultimately said yes, and I was like, holy shit, I could do this. So I continued working with a coach because as you’re learning to be a coach, you still also need a coach. After you’re a coach, you still need a coach.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, man, coaching is magic. The magic doesn’t stop.

Ally Rounsley: It doesn’t. We put our blinders on as coaches. Right? Like, oh, we. We’ve figured all this stuff out. We can help our people, but sometimes we have those blinders on actually, like, taking our own fucking advice.

Cate Blouke: Well, yeah, I mean, well, I think that’s true for everybody. That. And that’s kind of the underlying point of coaching is that we all need sort of outside perspective. I mean, for me, what that looks like is, like, I need somebody else to cheerlead the shit out of me, because even though I can intellectually believe in things for myself, my little heart and spirit don’t always get on board. But having other people ask me questions and help me tap into that inner knowing is what makes it possible to show up and do the scary thing. I couldn’t do any of the fucking scary shit I’ve been doing with my life in the last many years if I didn’t have help and support and other people to point out to me that I’m actually doing pretty okay even if I don’t feel like it.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, like, I want to point out something about that, too, because I think there’s, like, a fine line with external validation versus, like, support from people.

Cate Blouke: Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: It’s almost like, find the people that can toot your horn and support you, but also all those people that are telling you, like, their own insecurities, and you should go back and get a stable job, learn to listen to your gut and what’s important to you and fuck the rest. Right, right.

Cate Blouke: And, like, find the people who can help support you in that.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Yeah. Cause we all need to try, but we need our good ones, for sure.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. And I think what can be challenging is that sometimes that’s a real short list, you know? But having a couple people that you can be like, hey, I need some cheerleading today. Makes all the difference.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. So to shift that scarcity mindset, or sometimes that’s a short list, and abundance is one person is enough. Right?

Cate Blouke: Ugh. Thank you for that. Thank you for that coachly reframe that. My coach just did to me in a coaching session the other day when I. We were having this exact conversation, I was like, well, here’s the list of, like, three or four people. And she’s like, awesome. You got three or four people?

Ally Rounsley: Like, yeah, it’s awesome to have, like, two or three, four, like, that really, like, speak to you that can cheer you up or kick you in the ass, and then that list will grow over time. It’s grown. Like, I would say at the beginning of my journey here, I had, like, one person that I would really kind of talk to. And a year in, I think I’ve got, like, five or six that I can legit text and be like, hey, I just need a kick in the ass.

Cate Blouke: So you got permission. You got your job to fucking pay for it. You did the coach training. You were like, hoorah, I’m gonna be a coach now. And then you launched your first sort of foray, and then you were like, actually, this isn’t the thing.

Ally Rounsley: So, yes and no. It was really, really great to do the coaching stuff at my job. I’ve worked with people that, like, I’ve always seen in passing, but was able to get them into coaching and see the differences that were being made. People started leading calls with more integrity and authenticity. But the catalyst behind deciding whether I wanted to keep coaching internally or if I wanted to move out. Like, I always kind of had an inkling that, like, eventually I would want to go and do this solo because I wanted to meet more different people. And, like, when you’re coaching internally, there’s a certain people are all kind of the same. Like, they have the same experience. You know a lot about the product and business. Right?

Cate Blouke: I don’t know. The metaphor that just came up for me is, like, you’re shepherding the same flock. Like, it’s just like, everybody’s in the. Like, okay, we’re here. Like, this is the.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah, yeah. I want a bigger flock, and I want different colors. I want all the different things.

Cate Blouke: Yes. Rainbow sheep.

Ally Rounsley: Rainbow sheep.

Cate Blouke: Absolutely.

Ally Rounsley: Please. Rainbow sheep thing. I love that. The vision is, like, in my head now.

Cate Blouke: Good. No, I love that. Right? Welcome to sort of my brain. Okay, so you wanted rainbow sheep in your life?

Ally Rounsley: Yeah, I did, but I was willing to wait for it for a little while. Like, I can do this for a little bit longer, but the catalyst is that that boss, that was my big supporter and everything, he ended up leaving for another company, and so I had a plan to work there about six more months or so before I started really considering, like, this business thing. And then finally I was like, you know what? It’s my birthday. Fuck it. I’m putting in my notice. It’s my birthday.

Cate Blouke: I’m quitting my job. Oh, my God. I love that. I love that you started that sentence of, like, well, I had this plan, and I was like, oh, I feel this. Like, I was not planning to quit my marketing work for, like, I don’t know, another year. And then, like, that went out the window because, like, once we have that taste, that clarity, right. That vehement “No” in our system, it’s so fucking hard to ignore.

Ally Rounsley: It’s so hard to ignore. That is the thing. Yes. That. That kernel that just starts living in your brain. Like, you can fucking do this and you have all the tools, and now you know how to listen to yourself on what the right decision is for you. Don’t fucking ignore it.

Cate Blouke: That’s the, like, piece of, like, how coaching can ruin our lives, right? Because we can’t unknow it. We can’t unhear it once we’ve got that internal barometer that, like, connection to, like, oh, this is who I am and what I want to be doing. Like, you can’t unknow that. And then you have to fucking do something about it. Exactly.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Like, now I’m morally and emotionally obligated to see this shit through.

Cate Blouke: Right. Yeah. And that leads us to kind of part of what I wanted to talk to you about today was this, like, fuck around and find out mentality that you have embraced and are in the midst of. And how did. How did we. Okay, so you were like, it’s my birthday. I’m quitting my fucking jab. Let’s just fuck around and find out.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. So I will say that I was fortunate to be in a place where I could do that. So I know that not everybody could, but I had. I’ve kind of been in a place where I’ve been thinking about it for long enough that I was able to kind of prepare. And granted, I would have been more prepared in another six to twelve months. I was like, I feel okay enough to do this now, and if I don’t act on this now, like, I will come up with excuse after excuse after excuse on not to do it, and then I’ll just feel shitty about the fact that I’m like, oh, well, I have this great idea, but I’m not going to do anything with it. And so I didn’t have a word for it at the time, but it evolved into fuck around and find out, right?

Cate Blouke: Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: At the time, it’s like, I’ve decided that I’m no longer gonna let fear drive my choices because fear of instability, fear of, how am I gonna make money? How, like, what is my life gonna look like? What happens if it doesn’t work out? What are people are gonna think of me? All those things that pop up into your brain had driven the 30 plus years of my life already. And I’m like, I don’t want to live that way anymore. Like, it’s comfortable and safe, but it wasn’t. Right.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. What helped you be like, all right, the fear’s been driving the bus, and I’m not letting it drive the bus anymore. What helped you, like, around that and move through that?

Ally Rounsley: Coaching. Coaching. Honestly, like, it was. I would come up to coaching sessions, and there were a few in a row where I was just like, I really want to do this. I just don’t think I’m ready yet. And it’s almost like she’d ask me the same fucking questions over and over and over, and I’m like, I know I’m avoiding the things that I know I need to be saying and thinking. And then finally I was just like, I am afraid of losing what I have right now. Like, it’s that very scarcity type of thing. I’m afraid of losing the stability, this comfort, and everything that I’m doing. Right. But at the same time, I started to kind of notice the weight of different choices. Right. I can choose, and this is what it feels like to stay, or I can choose, and this is what it will feel like if I go. And it finally got to a point where I decided that it felt better to make the choice to quit and move into what I wanted to do, and it was still scary. Shit. It’s still scary.

Cate Blouke: Oh, yeah, 100%. Right?

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. But I will say it gets less scary the more you fuck around and find out. The more you take those risks and make those choices that feel uncomfortable. The less scary they get, the less weight they hold, and the easier it is to actually try new shit. And see what works and see what doesn’t. You beat yourself up a lot less. I’ll try things. And I’m like, well, that didn’t go as I planned. It didn’t.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. Okay. But so how’d we. Yeah, how did we get here?

Ally Rounsley: So the first couple of months after I had stopped working and started working, I was like, okay, now I gotta have. I gotta have all the things. Gotta have the website and the program and the pricing and the contract. I have to get all the things together, right? But what I found is, like, all of that was fucking busy work, but it made me feel productive, and so I started there.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, I’m just having a flashback to, like, my entire college career where I would start a paper with the bibliography. Like, I went to my works cited page because I was like, okay, like, I can get this beautiful. And, like, then I didn’t have to because the writing was the hard part, and I was, oh, but I can get this really organized, right? Or I’m gonna. I’m gonna clean my entire fucking house before I have to do the thing that I’m, like, putting off and doing.

Ally Rounsley: Yes. Yes. I can do this. Because it’s comfortable and safe.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: There’s knowableness going on here, right? And so I’m like, I can create all this stuff. But the thing is, when you kind of sit in that vortex, that’s not where your people are. That’s not where your clients are. The people that want to work with you, the people that need to know about you, aren’t going to find you that way. They’re not going to be able to see what an amazing thing that you’ve created if you don’t get out and actually start talking to people. And so it took me a while to figure that part out. Right? Okay. I need to actually meet some fucking humans and have some fun with people that exist outside my circle. I need to get strange and awkward and reach out to people that I don’t know and see what happens. That’s how I found you. I’m like, you’re shitty and awesome. Let’s vibe.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, right. No, totally. Right. I’m just. And, like, I’m thinking about. It can be so easy to get caught up in, like, I don’t know, building the pasture and, like, getting the grass the right size, but, like, you gotta go get the rainbow sheep, right?

Ally Rounsley: You gotta go get the rainbow sheep.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. This is gonna be the, like, refrain from this particular episode, is like, rainbow sheep. All the rainbow sheep.

Ally Rounsley: If there’s an image you can put. It needs to be a rainbow sheep, for sure.

Cate Blouke: AI will definitely provide that. We will. I will. I’m on it.

Ally Rounsley: I cannot. I can’t wait.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, right? And, like, in the spirit of, like, fucking around, right? So you’re like, I got my busy work done. I finally realized, like, I gotta go talk to people. I gotta do the awkward thing.

Ally Rounsley: So becoming a business owner is. Is first and foremost, a whole lot of unlearning before you can relearn what your new normal is. And so I think time management was a thing that I needed to figure out. And when I think about, like, fuck around and find out, like, I applied it to so many different parts of my life and in the work that I was doing, and then, like, how I’m spending my time outside of, like, doing my work, what am I going to do with myself, right? When you quit a full time job, you have 40 hours more a week in your. Yeah. So, like, do I replace it all with, like, do I do all the business time there, or do I, like, I value independence and freedom. Like, that’s part of the reason I wanted to start a business, not only for my passion and helping humans, but also because, like, I wanted to be able to do what I want, when I want. And so I’m like, oh, my God, I have all this time, too many fucking books I can read.

Cate Blouke: And so how many books did you read, ally?

Ally Rounsley: Too fucking many. But it was amazing. God, so good. There was just a rabbit hole of series, and I’m still in it, but I’m learning my balance, right, okay. Like, is it self care or is it escapism? Let’s talk about. Right? So you fall into the romance trap, and I’m like, shit, now I got to do this.

Cate Blouke: Okay, so you’re like, I can read all the books.

Ally Rounsley: I can read all the books.

Cate Blouke: And then we dialed it back. Is that what.

Ally Rounsley: So, something that. That I found was really, really interesting at first, for me, is, like, the building resilience as an entrepreneur was something that I really needed to work on because shit doesn’t happen overnight. And so I failed a few times, right? Like, I felt like I would build this program and then, like, nobody would want it, right? Because I’m not, like, I don’t know my marketing, I don’t know my sales, or people just didn’t want what I was offering. And so then I’d go into this dumpy. Like, “I suck at this. Why am I doing this?” And then for, like, a week, I would just sit there and read. I’m like, this is. This is comfortable and safe. I’m going to stay ready.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. So you try. So, failure in this context, because this is something I’ve been thinking about, too, right. In someone who’s on a similar journey of, like, what is success? What is failure?

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. And I think that’s for you to decide. And that’s why I went into this mindset. Coach, let me take my own fucking advice. Right?

Cate Blouke: So what was that sort of phase one? You’d build some things that didn’t work. You’d build some things that didn’t work. You’d build some things that didn’t work. Then it sounds like if we’re on the hero’s journey, you sort of went into the dark pit of like, is this even right for me? And then you came out like, winter melted, and you were like, all right, I’m gonna do this. Yeah, I gotta do something different.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. I’m trying to remember the exact thing. There was something that. That I saw that was. It was. It might have even been something as simple as, like, a meme, I think, that I saw that said something around, like, you know, get your shit together. And then I was reading a book, and it mentioned, like, get your shit together, like, a lot. Like, I was like, okay. So I’m wondering. I’m like, what can I do with that? Like, what can I do with get your shit together? Like, because I feel like that. Like, I feel like that’s the thing that everybody says, and then some of us do something about it, and most of us just complain about it. Right? And so what can that actually mean to somebody? And how can I turn that into something that’s important? 

And then it honestly, like, grew legs and arms and fucking wings and all this stuff, and, like, it just kind of took off. And then as I started really birthing the GYST out of all of this, right. That’s what it feels like. It was a labor. Intense, totally labor of love. And then I started. What if I were to swear? And so I’d, like, put a post out there? I’m like, let me just try this and see what happens. And, girl, like, when I started saying, like, I’m not everybody’s cup of tea or deal with your bullshit and not theirs, like, starting to say these things. So, LinkedIn, my engagement doubled, like, more than doubled in, like, a month. All of a sudden, like, I’ve got people showing up that, like, all these new people, and they’re, like, the right people.

Cate Blouke: What do you feel like, that shift was for you. I mean, I guess I’m just thinking about how this isn’t. It’s not just about the entrepreneurial journey, but it’s about that moment where we’re trying something. It’s just not working. And we keep trying, and it’s just not working, and it feels terrible. And then for me, I’m pretty woo. And the universe kind of steps in and is really trying to get our attention of, like, no, it’s not this. It’s not this. Like, it’s nudging. No. That thing that you really kind of want to do in your little heart, but you’re like, oh, no, but I can’t do that. Like, go do that, and then kind of, like, big, cool shit happens.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Like, it’s. I’m building resilience. I am doing this fuck around and find out where I’m trying new things. I’m pushing past my fear in order to lean into the things that are more authentically me, to make more aligned choices that feel good to what I’m meant to be and what I was put on this earth to do. And so on the outside, it looks like, oh, she’s just building a business. But on the inside, it’s like I am growing as a human and learning how to deal with failures and setbacks and wins and seeing abundance versus scarcity and figuring out how to deal with my messy. Because sometimes the messy has just got. It’s got to just linger. It’s got to chill. Let’s hang out and have a coffee together. You know, mental craziness over here. Yeah, but then you got to go chill for a minute and get the fuck out. So it’s learning all of these things and accepting the way I am and allowing it to be here and learning how to use it as a strength versus beating it into a submission and trying to be that normal human that people would expect.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. So what have you learned about the way that you are, that you’re now more able to, like, embrace and be like, all right, like, this is how I am, and here’s how I’m gonna, like, show up now that I’m in touch with that.

Ally Rounsley: I was diagnosed with depression as. As a teenager, and that’s been. It’s. It’s kind of had its ebbs and flows throughout my entire life. Right. And so I know that there are certain times, sometimes times of the month, that I am just not at my best. And at the very beginning of, like, this whole journey for me, I was really beating myself up on those times where that depression and hormonal bullshit was rearing head, I’m like, I’m not getting anything done, but I’m like, I really can’t. I really can’t do it right now. I just, it’s going to be shit, and I don’t want to. And so I started, for a few months, I started tracking. I’m like, okay, so what times am I really, like, what’s, what does my energy flow actually look like?

And so I figured out there’s, like, certain weeks that, that suck that are just gonna suck no matter what. And I started planning my business and personal obligations around that. So if I know it’s gonna be a low energy week, I’m like, I’m not gonna fucking do that. I’m not gonna go and host a webinar or a workshop on a week where I know I’m low energy and I’m gonna lean into those times where I’m gonna feel really, really good and do the work during those times. Like, if I need. If I need low energy work, that’s like, let’s reflect, let’s kind of journal. Let’s figure out, kind of start putting out ideas that, that I could use or not use low stakes shit on those low energy days. And then, like, the high energy days, like, okay, those are the days where I’m out dming people because I have energy to talk to people.

Cate Blouke: Right, right. Yeah. So what. Yeah. What has that opened up for you?

Ally Rounsley: So the biggest thing is it’s removed the guilt around feeling that way.

Cate Blouke: Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: Because I feel like we have this, this expectation, as women workers, moms, whatever it is, right. We have these expectations that we need to be able to go full time, 365 days of the year, and it’s just not fucking possible. We try, and that’s where the burnout and the stress and the overwhelm and the weariness and the people, like, all of this shit, that’s where it comes from, is because we’re not listening to what we need, both physically and mentally. What do we need? Like, today, I just need to sit on my couch and read a fucking book. Today I need to go walk outside and see some fucking nature. Get some vitamin. What is it? Vitamin K or whatever, from the sun. Like something.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, all the vitamins.

Ally Rounsley: All the vitamins.

Cate Blouke: Spiritual vitamins. Yeah. Like, I can so relate to that. Getting diagnosed, like, getting an official ADHD diagnosis a couple of years ago, Washington was really helpful for me because it gave me more permission, because, like, I needed permission from myself. Like, I forget that there isn’t an arbitrary permission granting agency. Like, it is just like. But, like, you know, the social, like, everything you just listed. And especially as an entrepreneur, there’s this sense of, like, I could always be doing more. There’s always going to be stuff I could be doing. And so giving myself that permission to be, like, I need a break. I actually need a break. Right. Something I’ve been thinking about a lot in this journey is, you know, what kind of boss do I want to be to myself?

Ally Rounsley: Right.

Cate Blouke: And honestly, I don’t want to be a boss who’s expecting me to work all the time. I don’t want to be a boss that doesn’t have her shit together and, like, doesn’t have. I mean, I am currently kind of a boss of, like, we’ve got, like, 80 million projects, and I don’t really know what to prioritize, but that’s why I, like, have coaches and help.

Ally Rounsley: So you’re saying all those, like, the kind of boss that you want to be. So what are you doing about it?

Cate Blouke: I mean, I’m getting coached around it, honestly. And, like, I mean, in the last, like, specifically in the last week, I was the kind of boss that was like, yeah, like, you need some mental health days. You go take those.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah, right.

Cate Blouke: I’m the kind of boss that’s like, oh, like, you need to go take care of yourself. Great, do that. And that’s what I was hearing in what you were saying, too, of just like, oh, like, there’s going to be some ebbs and flows and acknowledging that and leaning into it and taking the time for the restorative practices instead of being so focused on the external productivity and the doing and the have tos, I feel like I’ve been doing that as well. And it’s hard. It’s so hard for little overachiever, perfectionist, energizer bunny human that I tend to be slowing down is, like a real. It’s a push for me and, like, to put it into your, like, fuck around and find out framework. Right? Like, I think the universe for me was like, hey, this week, you’re not gonna get, like, you’re just gonna sit on your ass and you’re gonna, like, read some books and take some baths and cry a bunch and, like, stop pushing so hard. And on the other side of that, I’m realizing, like, how much that kind of slowing down actually serves me.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. When you reframe that slowing down into one of your have tos, that really makes it powerful, too. Because we think of rest as like, that’s just a thing that I’ll get to totally. But when you reframe it into, like, I need to prioritize this part of myself otherwise I’m not going to be who I need to be when I have to get my shit done. The productive on the surface shit. Because rest, when it’s restorative and conscious and purposeful should be a priority. It is a priority. Yeah.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. And for me, and this is still part of my journey, is I don’t know how to rest. Like I’m a little like hyperactive lunatic a lot of the time. And so, like, there’s also the kind of CPTSD childhood trauma. Like there’s a response there with my nervous system, that stillness is hard. And so for me that’s looked like rest isn’t just taking a nap, it’s am I. Does my brain need rest? Does my social battery need rest? What parts of me, what are those different batteries that need recharging that are tapped out and tapping into? That has been super helpful of. I don’t have social battery today, but I can totally go work in the yard physically. I need to burn some physical energy, but I need to like not have to think about stuff right now. And so reframing rest in those, like, I don’t know, it’s a rest matrix has been. Has been super helpful.

Ally Rounsley: I want to do your little underline thing on that. Right? Like a rest matrix.

Cate Blouke: Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: Because rest is going to look different for everybody and it could look different for you depending on what you need. That’s a really important distinction. Rest could mean taking a nap or it could just mean working in the yard with nobody talking to you. That’s a really important distinction around what rest and self care actually looks like.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, absolutely. And it’s all part of that. And. Oh, okay. So I do, I want to like bring it all in because like, you do have this like fun kind of framework that I want. I want us to get to around, like how to apply the sort of fuck around and find out to like whatever it is. Right. And so maybe in this instance it’s like rest. Like fuck around. Like find out, like, what does, what counts as rest? What kinds of rest do I need? So, yeah, tell me and our beautiful listener a little bit more about your fuck around and find out framework.

Ally Rounsley: Fuck around and find out became this thing that I did and I was like, you know what? Like, I can bottle that, there’s a method that I’m doing here.

So now I have it all kind of figured out. So that way it can be something you use and that it’s repeatable. So the point of, like, a fuck around and find out framework is that you want to try new things. You want to try something new. So I want to get better at rest, right?

Cate Blouke: Yeah, let’s do it.

Ally Rounsley: Let’s get better at rest. And so you’ve got an idea. Like, I want to get better at rest. There’s your idea. Right, right. So that’s step one. I got an idea. Yeah. All right.

Cate Blouke: I need more rest in my life. I don’t. I don’t know what that means. I don’t know how to do that.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Okay, so the second part is realizing that you have choices, and you just have to figure out what they are around that.

Cate Blouke: Okay, so I could take a nap.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah, I could take a nap.

Cate Blouke: I could take a bath.

Ally Rounsley: You could take a bath, right. What else?

Cate Blouke: I can play in the yard. I could. You know, sometimes for me, it’s like I have a lot of physical energy. Like. So, like, I could go for a run. Yeah. I could do yoga. I could call a friend. I could do a spreadsheet. I don’t know, there’s something really soothing about organizing. Like. Or, like, reorganizing my bookshelf. Right. Like cleaning. Yeah, that. Like, sometimes that can feel restful.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah.

Cate Blouke: Okay.

Ally Rounsley: Productive rest. Okay, so. So I want to point out here is that I said choice is a second step. And you realize that you have more than you think, but you don’t often think about that. Like, you stop at the idea phase that says, I need to get better at rest, but then you don’t think about, like, what does that actually look like? And you have come up with, I don’t know if you listed off ten or twelve different ways that you can rest, that you could try resting. Right, right.

And that’s where the fuck around and find out comes in. Right. Because the next step is action. Pick a choice and then do something about it. Okay, so go for a run. Let me try this rest out. So there’s your action.

Cate Blouke: I feel like meditating. Yeah, let’s go with meditate. That actually, like, okay, more rest.

Ally Rounsley: All right, so meditate. All right.

Cate Blouke: Like, I could try meditating.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Okay, so. So your action is, I’m gonna try meditating. That’s a choice that I decided based on the idea that I had. Right.

Cate Blouke: Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: So I’m gonna try meditating. So then you go do it. You pick a time, you pick a place, you pick a YouTube video or whatever, you need to do that. And you pick an amount of time that you want to do it. And if you know you’re that person that can’t sit still, you meditate for 1 minute, right? You do the 1 minute thing. So I’m going to meditate for 1 minute.

So you really see what I’m doing there is I’m defining what that action actually looks like when I’m going to do it, what it’s going to look like when it’s done, right? Think through all of those things, and then the last part of that is reflect. Figure out how did it make you feel? Did it fill your energy up? Did it drain your energy? Did you hate every fucking second of it?

Cate Blouke: Right? Like, was meditation completely the opposite of restful? Because I’m, like, coming out of my skin because I can’t sit still. I mean, that was certainly when I started meditating. That would have been. That would have been the case, but, yeah, like, I love this listening to you, I’m like, oh, I fuck around and find out all the time. Except that. That reflect piece, that actually pausing to be like, okay, like, how did that go? What did I learn from that? Like, that piece I often skip.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. And that’s the most important one. And coming as a project manager, like, you know, you have all this stuff that you do for a project and then you roll it out, but there’s this very end piece that everybody leaves off, and it’s the sustainment phase. How do I keep doing this thing? What’s working? Well, what’s not working? What do we need to adjust? So in project management, it’s kind of the same as this. Fuck around, find out. I. Scientific method. Same thing. Right. What are you learning from what you did and how will that inform what you do next?

Cate Blouke: Right.

Ally Rounsley: Because my next step is: repeat with gusto. Okay, this is what I’ve learned.

Cate Blouke: Repeat with gusto. I like it. I want more gusto in my life. Oh, my God.

Ally Rounsley: Right? So with that reflect piece, one thing that I really want to point out with the reflect part is there’s a difference between judgment and discernment. And when you reflect, it can be very, very easy to judge yourself. Man, I suck at meditating.

Cate Blouke: Right? Yeah. I didn’t. Like, my brain did not get quiet. I am terrible at this.

Ally Rounsley: Yes, exactly. And that’s judgment. And so I would invite as part of your reflection, is to step away from judgment, remove your emotions, and just look at the facts. Use discernment. I noticed that my body couldn’t sit still and it was really uncomfortable. And so you look at it from a facts minus emotions standpoint to really understand how it impacted you and what you can do about it. So instead of falling into this, like, judging pit of despair of. I suck at meditating. I’m never going to get better at this, and it’s not going to help me. And now I’m less restful than I was before. That discernment’s going to be like, you know what? Like, that didn’t work out the way that I thought it would, and I’m going to try something a little different and see if that works better.

Cate Blouke: Right. Like maybe next time I need to put headphones on or whatever.

Ally Rounsley: Or run beforehand.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, yeah. Like, burn off the energy beforehand. Exactly. Like, yeah. I think where I know myself in the past have quit. It’s like, I’ll try it once and I’ll be like, oh, that didn’t work. So can’t try it again. As opposed to, like, tweaking factors or really doing that kind of checking in. Yeah, that piece is so important. And I think the gentleness and the persistence and the permission to try and try again is especially for recovering perfectionists. It’s so hard. It’s so hard. It’s like I didn’t get it right the first time, so I can’t do it again.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. So I feel that. I absolutely feel that. And in the beginning of my fuck around and find out journey, I felt that way too, a lot. And my biggest advice is you decide what you want and you start making choices that place a vote in that category for yourself.

Cate Blouke: What do you mean?

Ally Rounsley: So I’ll reference. I really love the book atomic habits. Right?

Cate Blouke: Oh, it’s so good.

Ally Rounsley: It’s so good. It just smooths my, like, structure and framework heart. And he talks about something called identity votes. Who are you and who do you want to be? And are the decisions and choices that you’re making every step of the way voting towards that identity or against that identity? Right. So when you consider, when I look at. I’m going to sit on the couch and watch tv. Right. If I’m making a conscious choice to use that as restorative rest, maybe that’s an identity vote towards being a more mindful person or being a more balanced person. Right. Like, maybe that’s my goal is I want to be more balanced. I want to make sure that I’m prioritizing rest. On the flip side, you can take the exact same thing. Right. I’m going to sit on the couch and watch tv. But I’m doing it because I’m avoiding all these other things that I want to do. So it’s not a conscious choice. It is a unconscious. This is a habit that I’ve created because I don’t know what else to do. I’m uncomfortable doing anything different that might be an identity vote against being a balanced person on how that choice kind of shakes out for you.

Cate Blouke: Right. And thinking about, like, that idea of, like, well, I want to be somebody who meditates. Okay, but why? What does meditation represent to me? And it’s like, if I want to be someone who prioritizes rest, I get to decide if meditation actually falls into that category or if I need to be doing something different. I think we can get so hung up on the sort of specifics or whatever of, like, this is what it’s supposed to look like. I mean, for me, right? Like, to me, in, like, my brain, it’s like our rest is napping, and I’m terrible at napping, so, like, I don’t know how to rest. Right.

Ally Rounsley: Like, yeah, I talked about it a couple of weeks ago on LinkedIn, on, like, set visions, not goals. And sometimes we can be focused so much on, like, I want this specific thing. Well, why do you want that thing? Start asking yourself why you want that thing and then set the vision and set up the goal. So. So, for example, like, say I want to make a million dollars in a year. Right? I want to make a million dollars in a year. Sounds great, right? Why? What is a million dollars gonna get you? Right?

Cate Blouke: Yeah. I don’t know.

Ally Rounsley: Probably a lot of fucking things. I don’t know.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, a lot of things. Like, I would totally go to Iceland with a million dollars.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah, but why? Why would you go to Iceland?

Cate Blouke: Because it’s really pretty and it’s really goddamn expensive. Like, there’s a lot of places in the world that I want to go that are really fucking expensive. Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: Where are you gonna get out of going to Iceland?

Cate Blouke: I’m gonna get to go be in really amazing, gorgeous nature. And, like, my soul will be filled with the awe and wonder of the universe and, like, saying all of that, I don’t need a million dollars. Like, I live in the Pacific Northwest. There’s a few places around that I can go to for a lot cheaper.

Ally Rounsley: And see what you just did there. My goal is to, like, fill up my soul. Right? So. So, yeah, so then, like, you have this vision of creating this feeling inside your soul. And so is your goal really to make a million dollars? Or is it to fill your soul? Right?

Cate Blouke: No, it’s to fill my soul 100%.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Yeah. So as you start to really kind of dig into those things, those things kind of change.

Cate Blouke: Yeah.

Ally Rounsley: You may think that’s what you wanted, but is it really? Right, I think of that. Oh. So I’ve got a daughter. She’s seven, right? And so I’ve seen every fucking Disney movie that exists. And so we went back and we watched the princess and the frog, which I don’t know if you’ve heard about that. That’s Princess Tiana. She’s, like, this girl.

Cate Blouke: Yeah, that was slightly past my. Like, that came out like I was a teenager when that happened. So I have not actually seen that Disney movie.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah, I didn’t see it either until I had a child. And now I’ve watched, like, I’ve went back to watch the Little mermaid and, like, snow white all the old, old, old ones and then all the new ones, too.

Cate Blouke: See?

Ally Rounsley: Nope. I know em all, girl. I know em all.

Cate Blouke: Oh, my God. I watched little mermaid, like, ten years ago, and I got so angry. Like, the feminist awakening in me just made me so angry at the Little Mermaid, and I was like, fuck.

Ally Rounsley: I did the exact same thing with the little mermaid. I’m like, this is stupid. Like, cannot believe.

Cate Blouke: Oh, my God. He’s never heard her voice and falls, like, okay, okay. But anyway, so Princess Tiana, circle back to ones that apparently it sounded like you liked that one.

Ally Rounsley: I did. And the reason why she’s a hardworking woman that she’s like, I don’t need no man type of thing. But anyway, what was really interesting is she wants to get her restaurant. So she’s gonna work hard and work hard and work hard to get her restaurant. Well, she meets this bayou witch lady named Mama Odie, right? And so they have this whole singing thing, and she’s like, you gotta dig a little deeper. And so, like, what do you really want? Like, what is it that you really want? And so every time I. When people say, like, my goal is to get a promotion, I’m like, got dig a little deeper.

Cate Blouke: Yeah. Yeah. Like, what? Yeah. Why do you want that promotion? What do you want out of that promotion? Right? Like, why do I want to be a coach? Why do I want to be a coach on these particular terms? Right? Why did I want to launch a podcast? Why do I want to write the fucking blog? Like, why do I want to be doing this thing? And. Absolutely. That’s the kind of meaty, juicy shit that we get to in coaching sessions. That helps us stay on track and helps us stay focused and helps us have that North Star that makes the doing more nourishing. Because if I’m like, oh, I want to get a thousand followers, I’m focused on the fucking numerics and not the, like, I wanna do good work or I wanna enjoy the conversations that I’m having. I want to provide encouragement and support and delight to the people who listen. And it’s so hard to stay really grounded in that sometimes.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Yeah, I am. One of the things that I did in coaching is I made a vision board. And on that vision board, it’s got, like, my big goals, but it’s also got my little tangible goals. But as I wrote those little tangible goals, I really thought about, like, what is this going to get me? Why is this the goal that I want? And so now I understand, like, this might be what it looks like on the surface, but this is what I’m really getting. So, like, a thousand LinkedIn followers, right? That’s a metric, but what is it really for? Well, it’s so I can get in front of more people with the message that I’m here to share with the world. That’s really the goal, is, like, I want to help the world suck less by sharing my message.

Cate Blouke: That’s just. Yeah, I want to help the world suck less.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. That should be my mission statement.

Cate Blouke: There you go. Yeah, I want. And that’s yours. And then mine is, I want the world to sparkle more. Yeah, that’s where we’re sparkling. It is.

Ally Rounsley: Yep.

Cate Blouke: I think the segue there is, like, yes. Like, glitter is a huge feat. Like, glitter keeps coming up. Like, it comes up a lot for me. It brings me a lot of joyous. I actually was just participating in this little group thing, and somebody I don’t know at all was like, you know, I think every time I see glitter now, I’m going to think of you. And I was like, yes. That is like, I will take that.

Ally Rounsley: Right.

Cate Blouke: Ally, this has been such a delight. I feel like we’ve covered such wonderful ground and got some yummy good shit out of this. What? That we haven’t already talked about. Like, what. What brings you joy?

Ally Rounsley: You know, I was so excited to think about what brings me joy. And I’ve got kind of two ways that I’m thinking about it. Like, broadly, there are, like, certain categories of things that bring me joy. So creativity, inspiration, exploration, those are really the broad things. But the cool thing about joy is it can be super, super small and super, super simple. So when I think about things that bring me joy, it’s. I french press my coffee every morning, and I love the little frocken at the top whenever I pour it out. And, like, that’s always my goal for that first cup of coffee is, like, this really nice, like, frothy. And this brings me joy. Looking out in my backyard when it’s bright and sunny. Like, those things bring me joy. So really small things, but also, like, really big things. Like, we get into this coaching thing because we’re passionate about helping humans achieve their goals and make progress towards things that matter to them. And so, like, what really brings me joy is being able to see humans grow over time in our coaching sessions. Right. You know that feeling, too? It feels so.

Cate Blouke: I do. Yeah. I had a. I had a session last night with a client I hadn’t seen in a month who just, like, went off and did some awesome shit that I was like, oh, my God, that’s amazing.

Ally Rounsley: Good for you. Yeah.

Cate Blouke: So cool.

Ally Rounsley: Yeah. Like, the ultimate flex is, like, they come in, you know, like, a few sessions in, and, like, they’ve learned how I ask things, right? And so they’re like, I know you’re gonna ask me when I say I’m like, yes, you were learning how you talk to yourself, because that’s how I’m talking to you now. And so they start to pick these things up, and I’m like, I knew, like, in this moment that Allie would ask me, like, what are you gonna do about it? And then I did some shit. I’m like, yes. Yeah. That transition between the first session and the last session, when you see them come in and they’re hopeless and helpless and they don’t know what to do, and they’re stuck and they’re confused to, like, that last session when you’re talking to them and they’re like, you know what? I know I don’t have it all figured out right now, but I know exactly where I’m going next. And I’ve fucking got this and that. That confidence that, like, empowerment that they’ve claimed from themselves at the very end, like, that’s the reason that we do this, right?

Cate Blouke: Absolutely. Oh, amazing. All right, Allie, how do people find you?

Ally Rounsley: So you can find me a couple of different places. I have an instagram at Alithegyst, my website, where you can book me for sessions. You can also sign up for my newsletter and buy cool shit that I create, like, bookmarks, stickers and prints. And that website is thegyst.life and I am my most active and snarky on LinkedIn, so absolutely. Come find me on there. We have a good fucking time. So LinkedIn, you can find me at Ally Roundsley.

Cate Blouke: Awesome.

Ally Rounsley: Have some fun.

Cate Blouke: You will. You will have some fun. I follow Allie. I get her newsletter. It’s great. I have fun with it. You get a tarot card. It’s delightful. Awesome, Allie. Thank you so much. This has been wonderful. Let’s all go make the world suck a little bit less.

Ally Rounsley: Fuck, yeah.

Cate Blouke: Fuck, yeah.